Apparently California has never heard of Texas

"BLCKSTRM" (BLCKSTRM)
11/15/2016 at 13:27 • Filed to: None

No surprise, actually.

It’s sad, though, that Cali folks seem to think they’re the first ones to think this up.

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I’m pretty sure Texas thought this up first. And talking post-civil war here, but legally trying to secede. Texas has been working on this for years.

This article details the problem with the sentiment, and why it’s not going to happen.

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More importantly, I think the motivation behind it is insightful, too.

Texans have been trying to secede for decades, with the latest referendum on the subject in March of this year. And it was mostly the result of a natural sense of independence rather than as a response to the political climate (not that the effort loses steam when “political” stimuli are contrary to the state’s views).

Californians have recently started talking about trying to secede in response to something that happened recently. (yes, I used recently twice on purpose. This just cropped up).

I’ve said it already and I’ve said it again - let’s get over it people.

The last eight years sucked for conservatives. Now it’s your turn. I’ve been surprised to see that much has been written and said about the Left’s inability to see - let alone understand or sympathize - the opinions of the Right.

But this desire to rage-quit the country is just another manifestation of the principle. They can’t understand that the other team had to take their lumps when they won, and are unwilling to take those same lumps when they lose.

THAT’S HOW THIS WORKS!

There are winners and losers.

No, everyone does NOT get a participation trophy.

Grow up. Stop being such crybabies.

Don’t want to hear it from me?

Jonathon Pie nails it, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Grow up indeed.

DISCUSSION (62)

For Sweden > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:31

The last California independence movement was fueled by jingoism.

Some things never change!

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:33

Realistically 10,000 people want to secede, while 10,000,000 just want their coffee in the morning. When you have 39M people in one area, you’re gonna get a shit load of noisy loons.

CB > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:33

While yes, you do have a point about having to alternate between differing political perspectives, I wouldn’t really equivocate the effects of the Obama presidency as the possibilities of the effects of the Trump presidency. The right had to worry about paying for healthcare, taxes, and possibly the loss of the right to bear arms under Obama. Under Trump, people are worried about the loss of civil rights for certain groups, and I want to say that’s a much more serious concern.

d15b > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:36

Ok.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:39

There’s been a secession movement in Vermont for at least the last decade or so.

Jonee > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:42

I live and California and will say that this is not a thing. I’m sure every state has a few loons that want to secede. Vermont has also been talking about it for years. Conservatives have been on a vicious 8 year long angry temper tantrum over Obama, so now telling liberals to “grow up” is pretty rich.

Rico > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:42

I wish Texas would finally secede.

TheHondaBro > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:42

CB > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
11/15/2016 at 13:45

Canada will gladly take Vermont if you guys don’t want it.

benn454 > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:48

I’d say losing civil rights and repealing part of the Bill of Rights are equally serious concerns.

Not that I thought that would ever happen under Obama, nor do I think the Civil Rights Act is in danger from the Trump Administration.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:49

No, they wanna be self-governing.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
11/15/2016 at 13:49

I live in California, and I want to print out the last sentence of your comment and frame it in my office:

When you have 39M people in one area, you’re gonna get a shit load of noisy loons.

Roadster Man > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:49

Bugs Bunny needs a very, very accurate saw at this point in time...

CB > benn454
11/15/2016 at 13:50

Fair enough.

This whole thing is a bit of a right mess and I’m just hoping everyone makes it through this in one piece.

CB > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
11/15/2016 at 13:50

Figured as much. Was worth a shot.

and 100 more > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:52

Is this you IRL?

Kinja'd!!!

yamahog > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:52

I always found the “participation trophy generation” trope funny. Kids aren’t in charge of handing out trophies... Their parents/coaches are.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:52

You just wanted them for their maple trees.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 13:53

Well given that california has a large number of hispanics as well as immigrants and scientists as well as an envornment that is still suffering from the damage caused decades ago, it’s not hard to see why the state wants to disrespect a candidate who pretty much took a massive dump on the state and all who live in it during his campaign.

Let me be clear - Everything else about his economic policies and whatnot are semantics and will be solved by people more intelligent than him. But the very fact that his campaign revolved around outright sexism and racism means it isn’t right to just sit back and go “Oh, okay, I guess this works”. Cause it doesn’t.

CB > and 100 more
11/15/2016 at 13:53

Cannot confirm or deny* that I am in fact Justin Trudeau.

*That was a lie. I am not, in fact, Justin Trudeau.

and 100 more > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
11/15/2016 at 13:54

My dad (also in California) has a similar phrase:

399 yo-yos and no string.

(I have no idea the significance of 399.)

CB > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
11/15/2016 at 13:54

And their skiiing and lake monster and ice cream. But yes.

and 100 more > CB
11/15/2016 at 13:55

I know you’re telling the truth. Canadians are genetically incapable of lying.

jimz > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:00

#Calexit supporters sound like a 12-year-old after a fight with his parents. “You can’t tell me what to do! I’M LEAVING! ...but you’ll still feed me and do my laundry, right? ”

fourvalleys > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:03

Holy crap, I’m not sure what’s more obnoxious... the whiners, or the people whining about whiners. Jeez.

(or is it people like me whining about whiners wining about whiners?!)

CaptainSlower > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:05

Is Tim Draper still pushing that plan to break up California? Did anything ever happen with that?

benn454 > CB
11/15/2016 at 14:06

I think we’ll be mostly fine. This country has survived a lot worse than Trump.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:08

As a Californian, the ridiculousness of this is astounding.

How can you have a super-wealthy enclave without the industrial might of a large nation to stand behind it?

What is California without the US? Where does its defence come from? Most of its infrastructure funding? Its workforce?

The great cities of the world exist because of their home countries.

CB > benn454
11/15/2016 at 14:09

The thing is, though, it’s not just Trump as a person, it’s who he brings in and the ideas he promotes. Hell, we’ve seen posters advocating for whites and Europeans to band together in an alt-right movement posted in the east end of Toronto, and that’s a bit worrying. While Trump himself may be contained, it’s the fallout that worries me.

bhtooefr > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:21

Worth noting that legally, it is possible.

If the states consent to California leaving the union, California can leave the union. Texas v. White said that revolution and consent of the states were the two ways it could happen.

vondon302 > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:24

Couldn’t agree more. I’m not happy he won but living in Michigan I’m not surprised. Pretty sure the country has been thru worst.

CobraJoe > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 14:40

The last eight years sucked for conservatives.

Might I be so naive as to ask: What exactly has sucked in the last 8 years for conservatives?

I know there’s the social issues of gay marriage and abortion, but while I doubt those are the only issues, I’m honestly drawing a blank.

yamahog > benn454
11/15/2016 at 14:44

As I joke with my gun owning fiancé, it’d be a lot easier for him to stock up on guns and ammo than for the rest of us to stock up on our rights. *shrug*

Also, the Voting Rights Act was already dismantled and people just keep glossing over that when they bring up voter turnout.

LongbowMkII > CB
11/15/2016 at 14:47

That’s what you’d like us to think.

LongbowMkII > benn454
11/15/2016 at 14:47

Who?

LongbowMkII > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
11/15/2016 at 14:49

Most of California’s defense comes from the Pacific Ocean.

LongbowMkII > CobraJoe
11/15/2016 at 14:49

Obama only cowed to half their tantrums.

LongbowMkII > Rico
11/15/2016 at 14:50

And fail miserably in 9 years.

Batman the Horse > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:02

This is not and has never been a serious thing that would ever happen and these are the most words I will ever waste on it.

Batman the Horse > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:02

Also, Texans are shockingly obsessed with California and I get it because Texas is garbage.

BLCKSTRM > CobraJoe
11/15/2016 at 15:08

I wasn’t fishing for this question, but I did hope it would come up.

Trump has said a lot of shit to get elected, but he’s hardly the first person to do that, now is he?

But what has Trump actually done that’s so bad a whole state should want to secede because of it?

Nothing. He has done nothing. He doesn’t even take office for two months.

Why don’t we all just stop crying and be adults here, and just wait and see what happens.

CobraJoe > LongbowMkII
11/15/2016 at 15:10

I’m asking seriously, because I’m a little confused on the exact cause behind his dislike among the conservatives.

I guess I forgot Obamacare, but I’m curious what exactly in the ACA is offensive.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:15

I in no way support the man that was elected.

That being said. You do not secede.

That is not how this WORKS and it’s one of my main complaints about the Confederate States of America (you, know obviously behind the support of slavery)

You lost. That sucks. But it only means that you need to try hard in 4 years to make sure this jackass doesn’t get a 2nd term. It doesn’t mean you take your ball and go home from the playground. You work harder. You get more followers. You present a less polarizing candidate.

The CSA should have done the same thing. Worked harder to sway the vote to their opinions inside the system during the next vote- not outside of it. (again, not that I would support them and I would hope they would have lost if they came at it again, but that’s how our system WORKS).

I’m not going to tell anyone to “grow up” or marginalize the issues. They are REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES! Peaceful marches and demonstrations are ALWAYS welcome in this country and the right to form should NOT be infringed upon.

BLCKSTRM > yamahog
11/15/2016 at 15:20

Totally true - but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t taught those kids that lesson, either, or mean that this tantrum they’re throwing about the election isn’t the result of that lesson.

I’m 10-15 years older than most of the people in my office, who are recent “arts” grads.

I’ve never seen such a group of self-centered, entitled people in my life.

Even the way they volunteer is geared around how they can post it on Facebook to make themselves look better.

They take a sick day anytime something doesn’t go their way.

My wife and I make sure we don’t coddle our kids when they fail. Sometimes we comfort them, but sometimes we just tell them to be brave and push them right back out there.

It’s of great importance in life to know what to do when you fail.

Crying about it is never the answer.

Xyl0c41n3 > CobraJoe
11/15/2016 at 15:22

The thing is, those aren’t even losses for conservatives. Don’t want gays to get married? Then don’t marry someone the same gender as you. Don’t want an abortion? Then don’t have one.

Other than that? We’ve all retained our rights to worship where we wanted to and collect as many firearms as we wanted to (as every mass shooting during Obama’s tenure proved with spikes in gun and ammo sales).

But what OP doesn’t realize is that the threat people are fearing is one where hate is normalized. And, so far, that fear has already borne very, very real fruit (see: all the hate crimes that have been committed since last Tuesday).

BLCKSTRM > Batman the Horse
11/15/2016 at 15:27

Texans don’t like Californians because they are flocking here by the thousands, driving up the cost of living here.

Other than that I don’t actually think they care.

Xyl0c41n3 > Rico
11/15/2016 at 15:30

Why?

Of any of the states that share the cockamamie idea to secede, Texas is probably the only one with a real shot of succeeding at it since we have our own power grid, our own military, we’re not landlocked, we have a healthy agricultural economy, we have two major international shipping ports, we have an abundance of land, we have next gen tech here, and more. But why? It would be an incredibly messy struggle to be successful at all. We have all the resources necessary to stand alone, but even that would give us the slimmest of chances towards being able to do so. And both the newly (re)minted Republic of Texas and the US would suffer immensely for it.

Secessionists are narrow minded, myopic idiots. Both in Texas and California.

BLCKSTRM > fourvalleys
11/15/2016 at 15:31

I’m so over it.

Then something like this story comes out and pushes my buttons in the right way I weigh in again.

One of my kids just has to have the last word. Which usually ends badly for her.

So I’m still learning to just let it go, too.

CobraJoe > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:36

Politically, you are correct, he has done nothing to offend anyone. (Granted, he hasn’t held political office before.)

And yes, just like every other politician, he has said things on the campaign trail that likely will never come to pass.

However, several of the things he said weren’t just about policy or campaign promises, and no matter how he tries to backpedal and spin some of his comments, they did stir up and embolden the people who want an excuse to be violent towards Muslims, Latinos, women, and other people who should have every right and protection that every American is entitled to. There are large groups of people who are genuinely worried about the safety of themselves and their families.

Personally, even though I didn’t vote for him, I’m willing to give him his duly elected chance to be a good leader, and I’m trying my best to give his supporters honest consideration and discussion into the matters that they care about. But please, let people cry and worry and protest, freedom of speech is one of the things that has made this country great.

yamahog > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:43

That’s great for you and your family, but please avoid painting an entire generation in your coworkers’ images, no matter how many thinkpieces might confirm your opinion using questionable data, if any. An older person I recently volunteered with had the exact same reaction, even getting pissy at me for not taking a “before” picture of what we were working on.

Also, about those tantrums and participation trophies and not accepting results? Hardly exclusive to any one group.

Kinja'd!!!

DinoTheDinosaur > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 15:44

But what has Trump actually done that’s so bad a whole state should want to secede because of it?

Nothing. He has done nothing. He doesn’t even take office for two months.

That’s part of the problem ... Trump has done NOTHING .

He’s inherently a nobody ... just another 1-percenter, a rich boy born with silver spoon in his mouth, everything has been handed to him on a silver plate for his entire life. Made millions? He was GIVEN millions by rich daddy to start off his ‘career’. All he has done in the business world is buy and sell real estate. He’s created no jobs or companies that aren’t entirely centered around selling his brand (an ephemeral and absolutely useless product).

He’s done NOTHING to be worthy of consideration for the most important and powerful job in the entire fucking world.

So we are left with nothing active or concrete in his resume to show what he can do, or how he could accomplish anything positive for the nation, hence we can only rely upon his actual words rather than actions. And his words are unfuckingbelievably frightening. Then man’s ideology is inherently fascist. He clearly thinks the entire fucking US government should exist solely to enrich him monetarily, and fuck everybody else.

I’ve been a proponent of Texas seceding for years simply because as a Californian, I despise bible-thumping idiots and want them out of my country as soon as humanly possible. Just an fyi, I’m a West Coast Conservative (which is equivalent to a bleeding-heart liberal according to most Republicans), and I despise East Coast Liberals almost as much as Texans.

CobraJoe > benn454
11/15/2016 at 15:57

I think we’ll be mostly fine. This country has survived a lot worse than Trump.

While I completely agree with this sentiment, I really want to avoid the possibility of this president’s term to be anywhere comparable to the worst times in US history.

Rico > Xyl0c41n3
11/15/2016 at 16:12

So they can finally have their God fearing, abortion free, gun toting, anti immigrant utopia they [the myopic narrow minded individuals] clamor for!

I’m being sarcastic of course. I agree with all your points though I just feel like it will give the idiots what they want and they’ll see why it’s a terrible and stupid idea. Also I know it’s definitely not the majority of Texas citizens that want to secede or want any of the things I said in my first line.

LongbowMkII > CobraJoe
11/15/2016 at 16:18

The ACA is a republican born and bred project. It was the only thing the “tyrant” could pass. The offensive part was the mandate, buy insurance or be fined, but that was upheld by the SC, so nothing now.

There were half hearted attempts at gun legislation, but only the least pragmatic liberal can see that tree is not worth barking up.

Must have been the way he answered repeated tragedies with, “JFC, stop being assholes and killing each other.”

Or the super secret Sharia Law bill he’ll institute on Dec. 24th finally winning the liberal war on Christmas.

Shamoononon drives like a farmer > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 16:18

Me thinks you may need a ..... safe space.

Shamoononon drives like a farmer > Batman the Horse
11/15/2016 at 16:20

As a Californian, I sometimes wonder if I’d prefer Texas.

benn454 > LongbowMkII
11/15/2016 at 16:22

Johnson, Harding, and Buchanan were all pretty terrible.

wiffleballtony > BLCKSTRM
11/15/2016 at 16:35

Secession wouldn’t work for so many reasons. Suck it up and do better next time.

wiffleballtony > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
11/15/2016 at 16:44

Silicon Valley leaves for WA or TX the moment secession happens. Ca implodes. game over.

wiffleballtony > CobraJoe
11/15/2016 at 16:45

I think there’d be a lot more to complain about if the democrats didn’t expend all of their political capital on ACA.

LongbowMkII > benn454
11/15/2016 at 17:17

Harding wouldn’t have been so bad if he wasn’t a spineless rubber stamp allowing a unilateral, hopelessly corrupt, shortsighted, legislative branch push through bills leading to economic ruin.

....shit.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
11/15/2016 at 20:08

and New Hampshire. “It’s awesome because but there’s no income tax!”. Correct and property taxes are up the ass to make up for it.